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	<title>Comments on: Lisbon Secrets?</title>
	<link>http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/05/03/lisbon-secrets/</link>
	<description>Irish political culture, criticisms, and concerns</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: René</title>
		<link>http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/05/03/lisbon-secrets/#comment-433</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:40:24 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Why didn't you post this on NowPublic? what a discussion that might have inspired. Secret plans?!? It's not too late. see np now for Irish load.
René</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why didn&#8217;t you post this on NowPublic? what a discussion that might have inspired. Secret plans?!? It&#8217;s not too late. see np now for Irish load.<br />
René
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		<title>by: Cao</title>
		<link>http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/05/03/lisbon-secrets/#comment-422</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:32:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>EU Law: With the recent threatening tones used by the French and German governments towards the Irish electorate it seems there are high stakes involved.  I hope those that have a blind faith and trust in the belief that the European Government will be representative of the people are proved right.  In 24 hours it will all be different, one way or another, what differences this day makes is yet to be determined.
Cheers and Thanks! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>EU Law: With the recent threatening tones used by the French and German governments towards the Irish electorate it seems there are high stakes involved.  I hope those that have a blind faith and trust in the belief that the European Government will be representative of the people are proved right.  In 24 hours it will all be different, one way or another, what differences this day makes is yet to be determined.<br />
Cheers and Thanks!
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		<title>by: European Union Law Blog</title>
		<link>http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/05/03/lisbon-secrets/#comment-421</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:46:39 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>BTW even with the Lisbon Treaty the EU won't have an army of its own. The soldiers etc are those of the Member States, and they decide on how many of them are allowed to participate in a possible battle in the end. It's like with the UNO - they do not have an army of their own, they depend on what their Member States offer.

I think this story about diplomatic corps is not really new and also not totally untrue. Usually only states or international organisations that have - let's call them - embedded diplomats can send out diplomats to different countries. The EU does not have a legal personality, therefore I think it's been a problem sending out diplomats so far, but that could be possible with the Lisbon Treaty. As far as I know the EU already has sent out people to e.g. Washington, I'm not sure what it's called now though, but there are already people who are similar to diplomats.

But I do not find it outrageous at all, even if people call it a &quot;secret&quot;, which makes you feel like it's outrageous. Diplomats are in general a good thing during peace talks and to discuss treaties in the name of the organisation etc. The UNO has diplomats, too.

It definitely is difficult trying to keep up with what's going on in the European Union. Two years ago I had the chance to sit in a session of the European Parliament, and it was like at an auction. Someone in the front throws numbers and letters and people raise hands or don't. Sometimes they vote on two regulations within a minute. It's not even funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>BTW even with the Lisbon Treaty the EU won&#8217;t have an army of its own. The soldiers etc are those of the Member States, and they decide on how many of them are allowed to participate in a possible battle in the end. It&#8217;s like with the UNO - they do not have an army of their own, they depend on what their Member States offer.</p>
	<p>I think this story about diplomatic corps is not really new and also not totally untrue. Usually only states or international organisations that have - let&#8217;s call them - embedded diplomats can send out diplomats to different countries. The EU does not have a legal personality, therefore I think it&#8217;s been a problem sending out diplomats so far, but that could be possible with the Lisbon Treaty. As far as I know the EU already has sent out people to e.g. Washington, I&#8217;m not sure what it&#8217;s called now though, but there are already people who are similar to diplomats.</p>
	<p>But I do not find it outrageous at all, even if people call it a &#8220;secret&#8221;, which makes you feel like it&#8217;s outrageous. Diplomats are in general a good thing during peace talks and to discuss treaties in the name of the organisation etc. The UNO has diplomats, too.</p>
	<p>It definitely is difficult trying to keep up with what&#8217;s going on in the European Union. Two years ago I had the chance to sit in a session of the European Parliament, and it was like at an auction. Someone in the front throws numbers and letters and people raise hands or don&#8217;t. Sometimes they vote on two regulations within a minute. It&#8217;s not even funny.
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		<title>by: Cao</title>
		<link>http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/05/03/lisbon-secrets/#comment-416</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:31:10 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Sounds great!  Have a wonderful time!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sounds great!  Have a wonderful time!  <img src='http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: EuroYank</title>
		<link>http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/05/03/lisbon-secrets/#comment-415</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:29:27 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes and am still on holiday for a while. Going to Switzerland next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes and am still on holiday for a while. Going to Switzerland next.
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		<title>by: Cao</title>
		<link>http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/05/03/lisbon-secrets/#comment-413</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:49:27 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for dropping by &lt;strong&gt;Euro&lt;/strong&gt;, have you been on holidays?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for dropping by <strong>Euro</strong>, have you been on holidays?
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		<title>by: EuroYank</title>
		<link>http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/05/03/lisbon-secrets/#comment-412</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:26:45 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I just wanted to come back and thank SHINADE for her brilliant comments about me, and naturally also your great post Cao!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just wanted to come back and thank SHINADE for her brilliant comments about me, and naturally also your great post Cao!
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		<title>by: Cao</title>
		<link>http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/05/03/lisbon-secrets/#comment-401</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 09:59:37 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The way I see it &lt;strong&gt;Ralf&lt;/strong&gt; is that there are going to be decisions like this made on a daily basis by the EU and none of us will be any the wiser until we hear it announced at a press conference.  Challenging them on this Treaty referendum is one way to raise the awareness of the public and put the politicians on notice that we will not accept these secret policy plans and decisions, the whole system needs more transparency and accountability for me to be comfortable with it, the obscurely written treaty we are being asked to vote for is just a symptom of the dangers.  Sorry for the late response but I was away all week with visitors!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The way I see it <strong>Ralf</strong> is that there are going to be decisions like this made on a daily basis by the EU and none of us will be any the wiser until we hear it announced at a press conference.  Challenging them on this Treaty referendum is one way to raise the awareness of the public and put the politicians on notice that we will not accept these secret policy plans and decisions, the whole system needs more transparency and accountability for me to be comfortable with it, the obscurely written treaty we are being asked to vote for is just a symptom of the dangers.  Sorry for the late response but I was away all week with visitors!  <img src='http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Ralf Grahn</title>
		<link>http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/05/03/lisbon-secrets/#comment-394</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:19:18 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Cao, you are quite right to put the question. I don't know enough about the aid decision to Sudan to know if there are guarantees in place to aid the people instead of fattening the Swiss (or other) bank accounts of government ministers, but I sincerely hope there are. 

In these questions the EU institutions responsible should be much quicker to respond to real concerns of citizens, for instance by reacting to debates, doubts and outright lies, as the case may be. 

Generally, I think that one of the advantages of improved parliamentary scrutiny is that many potential problems can be addressed in real time, before disasters occur, and that citizens are able to follow and to debate the issues before the decisions are taken. 

Naturally, we can only strive towards perfection, but it is better to deal with mishaps fairly quickly, before the historians have produced their volumes, perhaps in time for our children. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Cao, you are quite right to put the question. I don&#8217;t know enough about the aid decision to Sudan to know if there are guarantees in place to aid the people instead of fattening the Swiss (or other) bank accounts of government ministers, but I sincerely hope there are. </p>
	<p>In these questions the EU institutions responsible should be much quicker to respond to real concerns of citizens, for instance by reacting to debates, doubts and outright lies, as the case may be. </p>
	<p>Generally, I think that one of the advantages of improved parliamentary scrutiny is that many potential problems can be addressed in real time, before disasters occur, and that citizens are able to follow and to debate the issues before the decisions are taken. </p>
	<p>Naturally, we can only strive towards perfection, but it is better to deal with mishaps fairly quickly, before the historians have produced their volumes, perhaps in time for our children.
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		<title>by: Cao</title>
		<link>http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/05/03/lisbon-secrets/#comment-393</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 06:14:38 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/05/03/lisbon-secrets/#comment-393</guid>
					<description>Thanks Ralf, the co-legislation process will allow for scrutiny; but, will they be open to criticism?  The incredible &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/05/11/eu-pledges-millions/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;events&lt;/a&gt; of the last few days only suggests to me that by the time any legal action can be taken the deeds will be done, the policies implemented, and the paper trail will only be accessible to lawyers and historians.  I hope I am proved wrong!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks Ralf, the co-legislation process will allow for scrutiny; but, will they be open to criticism?  The incredible <a href="http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/go.php?http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/05/11/eu-pledges-millions/" rel="nofollow">events</a> of the last few days only suggests to me that by the time any legal action can be taken the deeds will be done, the policies implemented, and the paper trail will only be accessible to lawyers and historians.  I hope I am proved wrong!  <img src='http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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