Comments on: Ireland Ignored? http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/06/14/ireland-ignored/ Irish political culture, criticisms, and concerns Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:01:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Aurora http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/06/14/ireland-ignored/#comment-432 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:49:43 +0100 http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/06/14/ireland-ignored/#comment-432 You're welcome. Thanks for keeping us informed on what's going on over there. You’re welcome. Thanks for keeping us informed on what’s going on over there.

]]> by: Cao http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/06/14/ireland-ignored/#comment-431 Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:12:32 +0100 http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/06/14/ireland-ignored/#comment-431 Thanks for the comments HG and Aurora! :) Thanks for the comments HG and Aurora! :)

]]> by: Aurora http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/06/14/ireland-ignored/#comment-430 Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:26:45 +0100 http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/06/14/ireland-ignored/#comment-430 Hibernia Girl, you took the words out of my mouth! We may never know what the true 'will of the people' is since so many have been denied the right to vote! Ireland, we salute you for your gutsy defiance to the E.U. giant! You rock! Hibernia Girl, you took the words out of my mouth! We may never know what the true ‘will of the people’ is since so many have been denied the right to vote!

Ireland, we salute you for your gutsy defiance to the E.U. giant! You rock!

]]> by: Hibernia Girl http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/06/14/ireland-ignored/#comment-427 Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:32:46 +0100 http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/06/14/ireland-ignored/#comment-427 <i>Do you see no problem in the voters of Ireland overriding the will of 27 governments and nearly as many national parliaments (when all the ratifications are tallied)?</i> Do you, Ralf, see no problem in the fact that the populations of two other countries (France and the Netherlands) <i>also</i> voted NO to the EU Constitution (later renamed the Lisbon Treaty) -- and that majorities in other nations, like the UK, would prefer to have a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty but have been denied that opportunity because their so-called "representatives" don't want to know what their response would be? Representative democracy only works if the representatives actually REPRESENT the wills of their peoples. Do you see no problem in the voters of Ireland overriding the will of 27 governments and nearly as many national parliaments (when all the ratifications are tallied)?

Do you, Ralf, see no problem in the fact that the populations of two other countries (France and the Netherlands) also voted NO to the EU Constitution (later renamed the Lisbon Treaty) — and that majorities in other nations, like the UK, would prefer to have a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty but have been denied that opportunity because their so-called “representatives” don’t want to know what their response would be?

Representative democracy only works if the representatives actually REPRESENT the wills of their peoples.

]]> by: Cao http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/06/14/ireland-ignored/#comment-426 Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:14:16 +0100 http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/06/14/ireland-ignored/#comment-426 The rules were written by the EU Parliamentarians Ralf, not me. The problem I see is in the short sighted EU policy makers who allow such loopholes to exist in nearly all their legislation, present Treaty included. Fortunately for us we don't need a power of attorney to vote, not yet anyway; but, maybe that will be the next proposal! ;) The rules were written by the EU Parliamentarians Ralf, not me. The problem I see is in the short sighted EU policy makers who allow such loopholes to exist in nearly all their legislation, present Treaty included.
Fortunately for us we don’t need a power of attorney to vote, not yet anyway; but, maybe that will be the next proposal! ;)

]]> by: Ralf Grahn http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/06/14/ireland-ignored/#comment-425 Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:51:36 +0100 http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/2008/06/14/ireland-ignored/#comment-425 Do you see no problem in the voters of Ireland overriding the will of 27 governments and nearly as many national parliaments (when all the ratifications are tallied)? If that is the case, your reasoning has an even larger legitimacy deficit than I thought. Parliamentary ratification is the norm. Representative democracy is the norm. If you voted 'no' you had no power of attorney from me. Do you see no problem in the voters of Ireland overriding the will of 27 governments and nearly as many national parliaments (when all the ratifications are tallied)?

If that is the case, your reasoning has an even larger legitimacy deficit than I thought.

Parliamentary ratification is the norm. Representative democracy is the norm.

If you voted ‘no’ you had no power of attorney from me.

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